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Caribbean disturbance 93L no threat; remembering the Edmund Fitzgerald storm
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:31 PM GMT am 10. November 2010 +3
An area of disturbed weather (Invest 93L) near Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands is drifting northwards. The heavy thunderstorm activity associated with 93L is rather limited, due in part to some surrounding dry air. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 15 knots and SSTs are very warm, 29°C, but 93L is headed into a region of very high wind shear, and does not have time to develop. None of the reliable global forecast models for predicting tropical cyclone formation (GFS, NOGAPS, ECMWF, and UKMET) are developing 93L into a tropical depression over the coming week, and NHC is giving 93L a 10% chance of developing by Friday.

The GFS and NOGAPS models predict a strong tropical disturbance will form in the southern Caribbean off the coast of Colombia 6 - 7 days from now, and move west-northwest towards Nicaragua.


Figure 1. Rainfall totals for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands from Invest 93L.

35th anniversary of the "Edmund Fitzgerald" storm
Thirty five years ago today, on November 10, 1975, one of the strongest storms in Great Lakes history sank the ore carrier Edmund Fitzgerald on Lake Superior, with the loss of all 29 men aboard. Our Weather Extremes blogger Christopher C. Burt has a look back at this date in weather history, which also features four other remarkable record-setting storms: the 1911 Great Cold Front, the 1913 "White Hurricane", the 1940 Armistice Day Blizzard, and the 1998 Super Cyclone.


Figure 2. The S.S. Edmund Fitzgerald in calmer waters. Photo from NOAA.

I'll have a new post Thursday morning.

Jeff Masters
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402. barbamz 01:13 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
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404. barbamz 01:15 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
And another portrait of this stormy lady with greetings from Germany. In a hurry, Barbara

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405. HurricaneDean07 01:16 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
Very Dangerous situation as bombs are being sent on planes to the US from Europe and the Middle East. Could be the very reason why a missile was launched off California.
This such a compact bombing plan. They must've planned this for months. THIS IS SO CRAZY! on veteran's day, i find this so ridiculously serious. i can't believe my eyes that this is all happening.
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407. HurricaneDean07 01:25 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


Yeah, Obama and his family are apparently gone as Yemen appears to behind this.

Al Qaeda in Yemen behind 'credible terrorist threat' against U.S., Obama says

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/29/hazmat-incident-at-philadelphia-airport/
so apparently obama knew about this along time before we did.
The California Missile thing is just a plane, reported by FOX.
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408. TampaSpin 01:27 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:


TampaSpin...Now you are REALLY showing your butt...EVERYONE makes fun of Fox news, and he did put a j/k after his statement.


As you are again. OnlY left wing LIBERALS do....JUST THE TRUTH......POOOF!
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409. Neapolitan 01:27 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
From the first moment I saw it, I knew it was a jet contrail. No missile, no UFO, no comet, no meteor. Nope, nothing more exotic than a perfectly normal, everyday, garden-variety, ho-hum jet contrail. I've seen them a million times while living in southern California and south Florida, both places with a large volume a high-altitude flyovers. Here's a webpage created before this week's "event" that very clearly demonstrates the absolute non-mystery of the whole thing.

Yes, the military could have been "so quick" to dismiss the thing as an ordinary jet contrail because they wanted to cover up a conspiracy of some sort--or they could have been "so quick" to dismiss the thing as an ordinary jet contrail because it was, you know, an ordinary jet contrail.

As I've said about other things here--GW, hurricane forecasting, etc.--scientific fact always triumphs. Always.
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412. HurricaneDean07 01:31 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


From being in the army for many years and a military background that was not a plane. I can assure you of that and remember the government will not leak to much information out right now. That was a missile I promise you that.
now that im seeing it again, i can agree it could be either one. FOX Seems to have bought it. lol
Anyway im going to get out for a while. Be back later.
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413. Neapolitan 01:33 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
Bomb was set to explode over NYC but the bomb foiled while on a UPS Cargo plane. Another bomb was found in Dubia as well on a plane heading to the US. Very serious stuff happening right now and apparenting OBAMA got wind of this and took his family out of the US for awhile. These bombs are Yemen based and are being targeted for the NE cities. Could be the reason for a missil launch off California.

Obama's current trip abroad was centered around the G-20 summit, which was planned many, many months ago, long before Al Qaeda's latest--and, again, foiled--attempt to take over the world by sending a letter bomb.
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415. Bordonaro 01:37 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting barbamz:
"Carmen" approaching us ...



Source: http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?T103151125

Looks like Carmen is stopping first in the UK to have her afternoon "cuppa tea" :O) before she slams into Western Europe.
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416. Vincent4989 01:38 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting barbamz:
And another portrait of this stormy lady with greetings from Germany. In a hurry, Barbara


Is that a windstorm?
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417. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:39 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


We got lucky this time man! That is some serious crape going on and if we don't put a stop to this now then one of these plots will go through and it's just a matter of time. We also don't know how many other bombs are being sent over to the US for an attack either.


Calm down, Jeff
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419. Bordonaro 01:41 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Let me click my heels three times and say...."Their is no place like home, no place like home, no place like home"....

This is not the McLaughlin Group...This is a weather blog....

Oh, look at the new lil' area of convection that moved off of Venezuela.
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422. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:42 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Going to be a big storm for the USA

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423. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:43 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Ugh....I can't learn how to quote people automatically.

Daren you Neapolitan :P
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425. Bordonaro 01:44 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Going to be a big storm for the USA


And we can blame this on Levi!!!
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426. TomasTomas 01:45 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


Alright JFV go somewhere else with your I love Tomas.


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428. IKE 01:47 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
NEW BLOG!
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429. hydrus 01:54 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


As you are again. OnlY left wing LIBERALS do....JUST THE TRUTH......POOOF!
The GEM still has our possible Virginie out there..Link The NAM has it as well...
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430. hcubed 08:20 PM GMT am 11. November 2010    
383. JFLORIDA 1:26 AM CST on November 11, 2010

"377 I cant believe how many sites "source" Anthony Watts. Do you even know the particular climate study where that data was used and what statistical methods were used to eliminate error?"

So because it came from Watt's site, that AUTOMATICALLY makes it wrong?

Did you read the post?

In case you didn't, a recap:

"...The error is compounded in the sense that it propagates via V2 into the GISS database, and other users of GHCN V2..."

You know, GISS. The most accurate surface temperature data base because they ESTIMATE (extrapolate) the Arctic contribution from stations 6oo miles away.

And remember, we're only about .6 degrees above "normal" (according to GISS).

So what studies are effected? Any study that uses GISS as their database.
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