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Hurricane Hunters don't find a depression
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 09:27 PM GMT am 16. August 2006 +0
An Air Force Hurricane Hunter aircraft investigated the low pressure system centered about 150 miles southeast of the North Carolina/South Carolina border this afternoon, but did not find winds strong enough to support calling it a tropical depression. Peak winds were only 25 mph at the surface, and winds of 30 mph are required before NHC will classify a system as a tropical depression. The storm does have a well-defined closed circulation, but satellite imagery and long range radar out of Wilmington, NC haven't shown much change in the system's organization today. With warm 84F (29C) waters underneath and wind shear of only 10 knots, I wouldn't be surprised to see this storm become a tropical depression or even a weak tropical storm by Thursday afternoon. However, the system has to act fast, since it will have a very hostile environment by Thursday night. A trough swinging off the East Coast today is expected to drag a filament of very strong jet stream winds southwards to Florida by Thursday night. These jet stream winds are forecast by both the GFS and NAM models to bring 100-150 knots of wind shear over the disturbance, which will easily tear it apart. Considering that wind shear over 20 knots is unfavorable for tropical storms, the 5pm NHC tropical weather outlook, "upper-level winds become increasingly unfavorable for development on Thursday", is a little understated!

High pressure building in behind the trough of low pressure should force the system towards the west or southwest through Thursday night. South Carolina could see some heavy rains and gusty winds Thursday night into Friday from the storm, but a storm strong enough to cause significant damage would be a major surprise.


Figure 1. Current long range radar out of Wilmington, NC.


Figure 2. Preliminary models tracks for the East Coast disturbance.

Elsewhere in the tropics
There are no other threat areas to discuss. If you missed it, my discussion of the outlook for the remainder of August was posted in my previous blog.

Jeff Masters
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451. turtlehurricane 10:32 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
It appears 93L almost became a tropical depression but, will lose its chance due to approaching high shear. More info can be found on the 7 am

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452. Thundercloud01221991 10:44 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Now their is some deep convection with 93L does it still have the potential to develop into a TD this morning
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453. Miltonite 10:48 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
I give the N.C. blob 12hrs to develop. If it does nothing before then then too bad for it because it's window will have closed.
454. stormchaserDAZ 10:58 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
93l will develop later today
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455. stormchaserDAZ 11:05 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
iment wil not or might not
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457. guygee 11:27 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
In lieu of the mornings first visible loops, the radar loop seems to show that a circulation is off of Cape Hatteras along a weak front, while the 93L circulation has moved SW under shear to off of the caost near the SC/GA border. NESDIS IR2 channel loop shows the southern circulation moving generally SW towards northern or North-Central FL (turn on NCEP fronts) with an associated 1011mb low. Earlier 0600Z regional surface analysis from Tampa NWS also shows the surface low off of the central SC coast. It looks like the forecast of increasing shear has verified and whatever remains of 93L may come onshore today with little or no further development.
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458. dnalia 11:30 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Bah. I keep reading TS Hector as TS Hetcor. Must be the chemist coming out in me.

Windshear is indeed our friend this year, but what are we going to do when it lets up?

459. stormchaserDAZ 11:32 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
IVE GOT A BLOG GO ON IT IF U WISH yh i agree with you guygee i think 93l will move on shore
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460. MahFL 11:33 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
If the shear is supposed to be increasing, then why is the convection increasing ?
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461. nash28 11:48 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
GFDL has a minimal TD out of 93L.
Interesting GFS run for next week. Pretty significant cyclone.
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462. guygee 11:51 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
MahFL - It looks to me like the center is exposed on the floater...if that is true it should be apparent on the first clear visible images. From an exposed center I infer that the shear is increased.
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463. nash28 11:54 AM GMT am 17. August 2006    
At the very least central florida and west central florida should be getting significant rains from 93L.
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464. StormJunkie 12:00 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Morning ya'll!

MahFl, the shear has increased from the N to the S, and that is why all of the convection is to the S of the COC. You can see the COC on the Charleston radar. Now compare that to the IR imagery and you will see the center is on the N edge of the blob.

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465. StormJunkie 12:02 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
MahFl, also note that convection can build in areas of high shear as long as it moves with the shear, which is why all of the 93L convection is moving to the SSW or SW.

See ya'll later
SJ
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466. pensacolastorm 12:03 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
why is there no discussion of the circulation in the gulf....isnt this low level circulation?
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467. fire16 12:03 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Well 93L is leaving SE North Carolina for now but we are receiving showers from the bands this morning!
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468. guygee 12:07 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Thanks StormJunkie for your very clear explanation.
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469. mrpuertorico 12:10 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
the last time we had a late year i was hit by jean and before that georges i sure hope i don't get a repeat
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470. solosailor 12:21 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Mr PR Did you feel much out of the 5.2 and 3.7 quakes Monday? According to the paper, they were part of a "swarm" that consisted of 37 that occured between Monday morning through Wednesday morning in the Sombrero Seismic Zone.
We felt the two larger ones but that was all in St. Thomas.
Jean and Georges were interesting in their timing.
472. ricderr 12:22 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
good morning boys and girls...quiet in here...to quiet...looks around...what happened to the band?
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473. nash28 12:22 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Yo Gulf! How are ya?
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474. ricderr 12:22 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
morning gs........
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475. nash28 12:22 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Hey Ricderr.
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476. ricderr 12:23 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
morning nash......
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477. thelmores 12:24 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
wowsa!!

that last convective burst in the last hour or so certainly is impressive!!!!

if it wasnt a tropical depression yesterday, it may be now! LOL

Station 41004 - EDISTO - 41 NM Southeast of Charleston, SC
Wind Direction (WDIR): N ( 360 deg true )
Wind Speed (WSPD): 23.3 kts
Wind Gust (GST): 27.2 kts

i believe that last convective burst provided us with at least 30mph winds......... guess we'll have to see if the convective burst hits before..... well you know.... Decap! LOL
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478. fldude99 12:24 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
93L doesn't seem like it can develop-same for the low in the gulf..worst there is maybe some rain to tx..one day closer to the end of summer folks w/o any activity..thank goodness
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479. thelmores 12:25 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
oh.... forgot....

MORNING EVERYBODY!!!!
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480. Patrap 12:25 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
..Good Morning to everyone..Im reminded this morning of a significant event in my life & weather history on this date, 37 years ago.As a 9 yr old who witnessed Man walk on the mooon a month earlier,..I would see devastaion beyond my young years ability to absorb it.Camille..a storm that would set the standard for a Hurricanes Power & devastation on the Gulfs North coast,slammed into Mississippis Gulf coast.We pause to remember those who perished this date........I remember last year as Katrina approached us ..hearing those over 43-45 yrs old calmly wispering to one another.."this isnt another Camille is it?"..knowing all too well..it was @ least something akin to it...It was then ..that those memories came flooding back from a wide-eyed 9year old..mezmermised by what he saw, a Cat 5 path of destruction.
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481. nash28 12:25 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Problem is that they probably won't classify this as a TD because they think it will be history shortly after.
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482. mrpuertorico 12:26 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
yeah solosailor i felt it was just sitting down at my desk around 9 am if elt the 5 and a few others ther was another 4. something i forget about 4 moths ago also that one i really felt the pressure waves from it felt like the ground was wavy
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483. ricderr 12:27 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
i think it's too little too late thelmores...i hear the book is out titled...the little engine that couldn't.....
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485. Tazmanian 12:27 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
wow is tha 93L or TD 4 now it looking vary well
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486. mrpuertorico 12:28 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
acctually i think it was 2 mont5hs ago not sure now ill have to check the pr seismic network again
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487. thelmores 12:28 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
looking at the water vapor loop.... this may be 93l's last hurrah before it gets squished like a bug! LOL
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488. weatherguy03 12:29 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Most of the convection is to the South of the COC. This will not be a depression. It is beginning to get sheared. The burst is most likely due to its interaction with the Gulf Stream waters. If it wasnt for the shear we would have a TD.
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489. nash28 12:30 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Well, it may be a little too late, but we could call it TD4 from the presentation this morning.
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490. mrpuertorico 12:30 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
well i am off to work ill be about 45 mins before i log on from my desk enjoy guys
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491. hurricane23 12:30 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Guys good morning i was just looking at the models as i do every morning and found something very interesting with this morning's GFS.I think this may be a sign of active times for the atlantic basin in the near future.The GFS is showing for the first time a hurricane approaching the U.S turning north towards North Carolina.Of course this can change in the next run but i just found it very interesting to see that for the first time this season.

GFS SHOWS FIRST HURRICANE OF THE SEASON CLICK HERE
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492. ricderr 12:31 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
nice post patrap....
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494. nash28 12:32 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
If the GFS sticks with this solution for the next couple of days, then E coast of FL to the Carolinas will need to really pay close attention.
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495. Patrap 12:33 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
..sees the new runs a kinda grins @ the scenarios..dont think itll survive the crossing ..Shear rules ..this season
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496. thelmores 12:33 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
atm, the shear may even be "aiding" 93L due to its location.... but seems this should be short lived....

nash, you may be right, but there is no way to really verify that at the moment.... and by the time we could get verification, it may be history.....

i don't think there will be a flight to 93L today.... but i have been wrong "many" times before! ;)
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497. weatherguy03 12:34 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
From Randy's blog:

And as I type this NHC has just called an canceled this mornings' recon flight into 93L and they canceled all follow on tasking into this system. So I think from NHC's perspective (and mine for that matter) this system is no longer a threat.

Have a great day folks!

Randy
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498. ricderr 12:35 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
nash......when the gfs finally sticks to one scenario...the world needs to take notice...lol
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499. Cavin Rawlins 12:35 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
Good Morning All,

hurricane23, thanks for the images of Cyclone Monica. I also like

Cyclone Ingrid (2005)
Cyclone Glenda (2006)
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500. fldude99 12:36 PM GMT am 17. August 2006    
ck the NHC people..whatever the so called experts here think..the "thing" off the coast of carolinas is nothing
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