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Jacksonville low keeps on spinning
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:46 PM GMT am 19. August 2006 +1
The persistent low pressure system about 50 miles east of Jacksonville Florida continues to kick up heavy thunderstorms and high winds over the waters off the Florida coast. Wind shear from a protuberance of the jet stream is still a very hefty 40-50 knots, and is expected to remain over 40 knots through Sunday, so development of this system into a tropical depression is not expected. However, radar animations out of Jacksonville, FL show a healthy circulation and some strong thunderstorms on the east and south sides. Wind speeds at a buoy 45 miles east-northeast of St. Augustine have been about 25 mph gusting to 30 mph this morning. A QuikSCAT satellite pass at 7:06am EDT this morning showed some wind gusts as high as 45 mph in some of the thunderstorms. The low could affect Georgia and northern Florida today and Sunday much as a tropical depression would, bringing heavy thunderstorms and gusty winds.


Figure 1. Current radar out of Jacksonville, FL.


Figure 2. Preliminary models tracks for the East Coast disturbance.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The strong tropical wave south of the Cape Verde Islands that the GFS model had been developing into a hurricane is now pretty ordinary looking. The GFS no longer develops this wave. A good general rule for model predictions of tropical storm formation:

1) If two or more of the reliable models (GFS, NOGAPS, GFDL, UKMET) are forecasting develoment, watch out.

2) If none of the reliable models are forecasting development, watch out. The models miss most tropical storm development.

3) If just one of the reliable models is forecasting development, you can probably discount it.

That being said, we have a case where two reliable models--the GFS and NOGAPS--are forecasting that the large tropical wave that will move off Africa Sunday will develop into a tropical storm by the middle of next week. However, the wave will have to contend with a large cloud of Saharan dust which has just emerged from the coast of Africa.

Wind shear remains high over the Caribbean today, but the GFS is forecasting that this will drop significantly by Wednesday, and remain very low for the ten days following. I expect at least one tropical storm will form in the Atlantic during the next seven days. One candidate might be a weak tropical wave currently in the mid-Atlantic near 11N 40W.

Jeff Masters
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101. GPTGUY 04:10 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
not only that TAZ but on the anniversaries of these storms brings back horrible memories and then the sadness and depression on some people set back in..i've talked to a few people here in Gulfport that are sad becuase the anniversary of Katrina is coming up..and it just brings back those memories of hurt and anger and sadness..so yes a slow season is wonderful especially for those still recovering from past storms!! think about it like that!
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102. WPBHurricane05 04:11 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
im not sure Wilma went over us, Frances lasted for two days (and was the first in a while, caused alot of damage) Jeanne was a 3 but she couldnt do much because Frances already hit.
i say starting with the worst
1.Frances
2.Wilma
3.Jeanne
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103. Tazmanian 04:11 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
GPTGUY yes you are right there
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104. Patrap 04:11 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Katrina was Buras first ..then Miss/La line ..Elena in 85 came in from a se angle to Hit West of Mobile..Biloxi..then Gulfport..Labor day weekend 85
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105. WPBHurricane05 04:12 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
let me edit:
im not sure, Wilma went over us
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106. GPTGUY 04:12 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
im not trying to pick on you TAZ its just a different perspective when you live in a hurricane prone area
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107. Patrap 04:13 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
..was in Biloxi Thursday..for VA cat scan..its a mess still...HWy 90..wont ever be like it was..from the Bay Bridge...to Beau Rivage..its a wasteland..
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108. Patrap 04:14 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
..thought you were in S Palm Beach..
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109. Cavin Rawlins 04:14 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
the anniversaries of these storms brings back horrible memories and then the sadness and depression on some people set back in

Thats true...Thats why I think, we should not mention anything about Hurricane Katrina from Aug. 22 to Aug. 31....just a thought
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110. WPBHurricane05 04:15 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
just south of West Palm
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111. 21N71W 04:15 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Afternoon all,
A bit of trivia : Hurricane Rita formed on my wedding day above our heads......September 17th 2005.
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112. GPTGUY 04:15 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
yeah patrap i was down there the other day and its horrible..and it will never be the same again..all those houses that were on the north side of 90 will never be rebuilt and the people will probably sell the land to developers..so in 5-10 years it will be condos and casinos
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113. AllyBama 04:16 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Hello all..greetings from Mobile..the place where Hurricanes love to hit (or try too!) lol

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114. Cavin Rawlins 04:16 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Reason, why I said so, because every September after 1998 we try to forget Hurricane Goerges ever hit us....

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115. GPTGUY 04:17 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
thats a good idea weather456 but i live in gulfport and there are so many events and things to commemerate the anniversary of Katrina down here..just like there is every Aug. 17 to commemerate hurricane Camille
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116. Patrap 04:17 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
..has a family home inBay St. Louis ..off of 90 near..Lil Rays..between Waveland Ave..& the Blossman Gas distibutor..thats 3 miles inland from Waveland Beach road..the Water was 5 ft thru the House & across 90..thats what a 30ft stom surge did..incredible..
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117. Tazmanian 04:18 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
the 2006 year is done it got kill by high wind shaer not one name storm so far in augst
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118. PascMississippi 04:18 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Hey AllyBama
119. GPTGUY 04:18 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
oh yeah weather456 i remember hurricane Georges..hit here in Gulfport on Sept. 28, 1998 that storm stalled on us for two days
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120. Cavin Rawlins 04:19 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
I dont see how poeple could celebrate Natural Diasters, down here, I barely know of past diasters, becuz we pick up and move on like it never happen.
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121. AllyBama 04:19 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
You are right GPTGUY. Take a look at Gulf Shores/Orange Beach. You can't even see the beach from the road anymore..condo after condo.
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122. GPTGUY 04:20 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
maybe this year will end up like 1983 with only 4 named storms..i doubt it though because we still have the rest of this month and the peak of the season in September
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125. GPTGUY 04:21 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
yeah ally with the wind vs water insurance battle going on down here..and no one on the beach having flood inusrance..its basically inevitable
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126. WPBHurricane05 04:21 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
here is a Cape-Verde Hurricane
brought it up bcause we are coming up to the day it formed
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127. Tazmanian 04:22 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
jphurricane2006 when a week fron now 4 weeeks from now?
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128. AllyBama 04:23 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Hey Pasc..
talk about Georges..sucked ALL of the water out of Mobile Bay and dumped in on us! I had +23 inches of rain at my house and the enviro center @ Dauphin Island had 47!!! Talk about watering your grass...
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129. WPBHurricane05 04:23 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
ok about 20 days off but we are in the cape-verde season, parents went through it, said it was horrible
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130. Patrap 04:23 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
..my cousin..a retired PHD in Nursing came home the 4th of Sept to the hose I just wrote about & meet with her insurer & FEMA rep..she went back to Hotel in Ala..had massive Heart Attack & died same evening..It simply overwhelmed her..I didnt know about it till NOv 20th..the day we buried her..Her son called cause Id left a note on the House back in October..He calleed my number 2 hrs b-4 the Funeral..I made it from New Orleans just in time to Bury her @ St.Clares on Beach road in Waveland..the church slab was all that was ledt..ceromony was inside Quanson Hut..was most distressing day of the whole fraking thing..My favorite person was gone in my Family..and Id didbt even know she passed..thats how scattered our family was...
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132. Cavin Rawlins 04:24 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
But maybe they are not remembering Hurricane Katrina itself, but the effort made by people who survived and remember those who were lost.
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133. IKE 04:24 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Posted By: Tazmanian at 11:18 AM CDT on August 19, 2006.
the 2006 year is done it got kill by high wind shaer not one name storm so far in augst


I know you're referring to the Atlantic, but what about all of the folks who died recently in China from that typhoon???

I evacuated for...Opal....Ivan...Dennis...stayed for George and it put my dock under water. These storms are no fun.

I get a rush tracking them, but am tired of evacuating and picking up the pieces.
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134. PascMississippi 04:25 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Georges was pretty bad too. It put water in many homes near me. We were lucky in that one. We had a few downed tree, but no major damage.
135. AllyBama 04:25 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Good morning JP!

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136. Cavin Rawlins 04:27 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Posted By: Tazmanian at 11:18 AM CDT on August 19, 2006.
the 2006 year is done it got kill by high wind shaer not one name storm so far in augst


Remember the season ends November 30....
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138. PascMississippi 04:28 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Weather456, you are right. It is not to remember the storm, but everything that was done after the storm. People helped each other get past the destruction. We had to pick one another up when we could not go any more. Total strangers helping others was amazing. The people who came to help us were the ones that made a huge difference. The love that people have for others is unbelievable. I learned a lot about people during this time. I will never forget it.
139. vortextrance 04:29 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
CPTGUY I don't think TAZ meant any harm. And let me say I agree it is a blessing for the Gulf coast to get a break and sincerly hope all Hurricanes in the future will not make landfall, but that is not the case. I have not been through any of the storms over the last few years so I have no clue what some of you are going through. And the only devastation I have seen firsthand is what Hurrican Andrew to did to Key Biscayne when I lived there, but I was very young then. However all of my family still lives in FL, mainly from Tampa to Pensacola so I understand the effects many of these storms have and don't wish them on anyone. I am still fascinated by Hurricanes and enjoy watching the development and movement and don't think there is anything wrong with that.
Anyway I continue to pray for all of you who are still going through the recovery process and sincerely hope all of you get an extended break from the Tropics.
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140. GPTGUY 04:29 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
i just can't believe how fast things with Katrina developed..on the 23rd it was a depression and less than a week later 30 ft of water is pushing over the coast..and the shift in track on the 26th from Panama City, to Biloxi..just caught everyone off guard..things happened so fast from the 23rd to the 30th last year
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141. IKE 04:29 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
That entire area of disturbed weather in the southern Caribbean seems to be drifting NW and there seems to be one circulation near 13.5N,75W...
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142. AllyBama 04:30 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Pasc..my memory is bad..it was Hurricane Danny in 1997 NOT Georges..
hey, unless they are memorable like Frederick, Elena, Camille, Ivan, etc. you forget their names. Kind of like some of my dates! lol
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143. WPBHurricane05 04:31 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    

Posted By: Tazmanian at 11:18 AM CDT on August 19, 2006.
the 2006 year is done it got kill by high wind shaer not one name storm so far in augst
Posted By: Weather456 at 12:25 PM AST on August 19, 2006.
Remember the season ends November 30....


last year didnt end till January
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144. Tazmanian 04:31 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
yse i no but dont you think this waiting game been going on a liitle too far now?
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145. Patrap 04:31 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
..ty vortex..much appreciated
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146. GPTGUY 04:32 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
oh yeah vortex i agree i know taz didnt mean any harm..im not one of those people that come on here and blast people for tracking and making a fuss over a blob..im like that i've been facinated with hurricanes since 1985 when hurricane Elena came through the MS Gulf coast..and i look at blobs too and see if there is a circulation to them..and ive been a loyal reader of this blog and this site since the beginning of the '04 hurricane season..hurricanes intrest me too but after the past two years we really do need a break
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147. Tazmanian 04:32 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
Posted By: WPBHurricane05 at 9:31 AM PDT on August 19, 2006.

Posted By: Tazmanian at 11:18 AM CDT on August 19, 2006.
the 2006 year is done it got kill by high wind shaer not one name storm so far in augst
Posted By: Weather456 at 12:25 PM AST on August 19, 2006.
Remember the season ends November 30....

last year didnt end till January


LOL
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149. Patrap 04:32 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
.LOL atcha Taz..Andrew the A storm of 92..didnt form till this late..RREELLAAx...youll get a storm soon..
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150. Alec 04:33 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
GPTGUY you got mail!
151. SEFL 04:33 PM GMT am 19. August 2006    
im not sure Wilma went over us, Frances lasted for two days (and was the first in a while, caused alot of damage) Jeanne was a 3 but she couldnt do much because Frances already hit.
i say starting with the worst
1.Frances
2.Wilma
3.Jeanne

20 or 30 miles can make a big difference in impact. I was in south eye wall of both Francis and Jeanne and had the eye of Wilma pass over. I think Francis was the worst because of the slow speed....12 hours of wind battering.

Wilma had higher winds and they scared me on the backside after the eye passed over, but it was done in a couple of hours.

I would put them in same order for destruction where I am.

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